BBR: Update: Wyden’s Middle Way…Health Care: House Proposes New Payroll Taxes, Value Added Tax, to fund health care bill….

Bumped: Now that CBO scored the Kennedy draft, the Wyden Bennett bill is getting a chance, here is video from 2 months ago and a WSJ piece up TODAY!

Update: WSJ has an excellent interview up with Ron Wyden D-OR, who has what sounds like a FABULOUS proposal that will address many of the issues we have without taxing us to death or rationing our care, please go read it!

…less-radical approaches, like the one Mr. Wyden is co-sponsoring with Utah Republican Bob Bennett. “The country has bailout fatigue,” Mr. Wyden explains. “The Congressional Budget Office said our proposal was budget neutral in the short term and that it would essentially start bending the cost curve downward in the third year.”

…the Wyden-Bennett Healthy Americans Act relies on the private insurance market while imposing a series of regulations to squeeze savings from the private sector. It also requires individuals to buy coverage for themselves, the controversial “individual mandate.” The idea, Mr. Wyden says, is to harness the Democratic desire to get everyone covered to the Republican interest in markets and consumer choice.

..I think the way to go,” Mr. Wyden says, “is with a generous deduction that sends a market-oriented message.” He says that means that, if you shop carefully for your health care, you’re going to get your taxes cut.

The typical family of four spends about $13,000 a year for their health care for the year, he says. In the Healthy Americans plan, they set the deduction at $19,000. “If you get a deduction of between $17,000 and $19,000 for a middle-class family of four . . . [that] now spends $13,000 on health care, we’ve got a chance to give millions of people . . . more money in their wallet because they got a chance to shop in a new system driven by informed choice and financial incentives to make those choices.”

And NO EXEMPTION FOR UNION PLANS!

…And Labor? Unions have every right to bargain for the best possible package, he says. “But nobody, be it a CEO or a labor [union] member ought to be getting what amounts to gold-plated coverage with the tax subsidies paid for by somebody who is a modestly compensated woman at a small business who doesn’t have a health plan.”

Sounds like Wyden and Bennett have a feasible answer to the issue, I am letting my Critters know I support it :0)

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June 19, 2009. Tags: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , . Economy, Finance, Healthcare, Obama Administration, Politics, Taxes, Uncategorized, Unemployment Statistics, Wall St. 6 comments.

Baucus’ Health Care Bill: One is the Loneliest Number…

Mashup by HootyMcBoon

Update: Politico has the backlash to Baucus’ plan from fellow Dem Rockefeller (D-WVA). It was reported that Rockefeller was summoned to the WH at 400pm last night wonder what they said, lol! I suspect they told Rockefeller not to get his panties in atwist that they would be SURE to add an amendment in conference that exempt union plans or otherwise has taxpayers carrying the burden of those high dollar plans…frakkers….

Max Baucus was all alone at that presser announcing his bill yesterday, not one Dem and not one GOP member stood with him..Still unsure why they aren’t going for Wyden Bennett Bill when Baucus gets us halfway there but without the cosponsors…

The WSJ OpEd page DESTROYS Baucus’ plan today…

Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus finally unveiled his health-care plan yesterday to a chorus of bipartisan jeers. The reaction is surprising given that President Obama all but endorsed the outlines of the Baucus plan last week. But the hoots are only going to grow louder as more people read what he’s actually proposing….

MINIMUM WAGE

September 17, 2009. Tags: , , , , , , , , , . Politics. 1 comment.

Update: David Brooks and le wrath di khan…Health Insurance Update: Kent Conrad on his Compromise Plan…

Update: David Brooks agrees with MiM on Wyden Bennett option, oh noes! Someone check my brain for those bore worm things from Wrath of Khan!

If I am agreeing with Brooks something must be very very wrong….

Now you might think that in these circumstances someone might take a second look at the ideas incorporated in the Wyden-Bennett plan, which already has a good C.B.O. score, bipartisan support and a recipe for fundamental reform.

If you did think that, you are mistaking the Senate for a rational organism. For while there are brewing efforts to incorporate a few Wyden-Bennett ideas, there is stiff resistance to the aspects that fundamentally change incentives.

From the presser, more Trek talk as Jake Tapper nailed TOTUS down on the misleading claim that Americans could keep their coverage, not likely with employers dumping it to pay a govt fine instead:

TAPPER: Is the public plan non-negotiable? And, while I appreciate your Spock-like language** about the logic of the health care plan and the public plan, it does seem logical to a lot of people that if the government is offering a cheaper health care plan, then lots of employers will want to have their employees covered by that cheaper plan, which will not have to be for-profit, unlike private plans, and may, possibly, benefit from some government subsidies, who knows.  And then their employees would be signed up for this public plan, which would violate what you’re promising the American people, that they will not have to change health care plans if they like the plan they have. So…

OBAMA:  OK.  You’re pitching; I’m catching.

TAPPER:  OK.

(LAUGHTER)

OBAMA:  I got the question. First of all, was the reference to Spock, is that a crack on my ears?

(LAUGHTER)

TAPPER:  No.

OBAMA:  All right.  I just wanted to make sure.  No?

TAPPER:  I would never make fun of your ears, sir.

-snip-

TAPPER:  I’m sorry, but what about keeping your promise to the American people that they won’t have to change plans even if employers…

(CROSSTALK)

OBAMA:  Well, all right — when I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan — or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don’t have to change plans, what I’m saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform. Now, are there going to be employers right now, assuming we don’t do anything — let’s say that we take the advice of some folks who are out there and say, “Oh, this is not the time to do health care.  We can’t afford it.  It’s too complicated.  Let’s take our time,” et cetera.

So let’s assume that nothing happened.  I can guarantee you that there’s the possibility for a whole lot of Americans out there that they’re not going to end up having the same health care they have. Because what’s going to happen is, as costs keep on going up, employers are going to start making decisions.  We’ve got to raise premiums on our employees.  In some cases, we can’t provide health insurance at all. And so there are going to be a whole set of changes out there. That’s exactly why health reform is so important.

REPOST: Call your Critters on the health care plan!!!! That CBS poll was designed to make them feel like tey had cover to vote for a public option, let them know how you feel before the votes go down….MiM is supporting the Wyden-Bennett plan…

Conrad has a lot to do with the purse strings so he is worth watching as health care debate unfolds:

Courtesy of Bloomberg

June 23, 2009. Tags: , , , , , , , , , . Economy, Entertainment, Finance, Healthcare, Popular Culture, Star Trek. 2 comments.

ALERT the media! oh yeah, nevermind: AP reports 52% DISAPPROVE of TOTUS healthcare and 49% disapprove overall…

Update: More highlights from the poll courtesy of AHFF Geoff at AceHQ:

support oppose cong bills – 34 /49
hc bill must be bipartisan 79 yes/20  no (SEVENTY NINE??)
obama proceed w.o gop? NO – 66, YES – 28

60% IN FAVOR OF DOING NOTHING THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What do you think the President and Congress should do when they come back to Washington this fall? Do you think they should…
9/3/09-9/8/09
Keep working to pass a health care plan by the end of
the year 39
Scrap the current negotiations and start over from
scratch 42
Leave the health care system as it is now 18
Don’t know 1
Refused *
Based on: N=1,001

Here is Gibby this morning spinning madly, first TOTUS doesnt govern by polls, then he says the polls show the public wants a public plan, spin Gibby spin like Taz! BWAAAHAAA..Gibby says they want to be bipartisan and Drudge has up a headline that Boehner says TOTUS has not invited the GOP to parlay since April…GOP has put forward no less than three plans including HR 3400 and Wyden-Bennett…Baucus confirmed this morning that all 3 GOP members of his finance Cmte put forward suggestions to him before noon today…

That is the sound of the dam breaking….

The dam of propaganda and hype the MSM put up to pressure people into saying they approved of the abominable performance of Team TOTUS in handling the economy to date..

People can SEE their fellow country men and women and children at townhalls and tea parties. Now we ALL know that most of us ALL feel the same way..despite the heavy handed journOlist fog of Obamalove, and polling of ADULTS instead of likely VOTERS…

and Hey Media! we DISAPPROVE you intellectual elitists!!!

Get REAL Congress, get BACK TO WORK. CREATE OPPORTUNITY for the PRIVATE sector to CREATE JOBS!!!

Get OUT OF OUR WAY. Let Americans do what we do best, build and GROW…

Just get your high flying ideals out of our real world way of life!

Via ACE HQ:

AP, mind you, and it’s a poll of adults to boot.

52% disapprove of Obama’s handling of the economy, too. And…

A similar number disapprove of his handling of taxes, some of which may rise to help finance his health overhaul. And 56 percent dislike his handling of the budget deficit, which has skyrocketed under the costs of the financial bailouts and a recession that has caused sinking federal revenues….

.. Here’s the actual poll, again sent by AHFF Geoff. Lots of good eatin’ here.

On the economy, for example, 58% had approved of Obama’s handling back in April. That is now down to 44%….

GNR courtesy of Ildy87

September 9, 2009. Tags: , , , , , , , , , , , . Economy, Finance, Foreclosures, Healthcare, Housing, Labor Department, Obama Administration, Politics, Popular Culture, TARP, Taxes, Unemployment Statistics, Wall St. Comments off.

Max Baucus (D-MT) to unveil Senate Finance Cmte (bipartisan?) health care plan…

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WSJ:

…Mr. Baucus, a Montana Democrat, is aiming to reach an agreement by Tuesday… The goal is to strike a deal before President Barack Obama addresses Congress on Wednesday in a special joint session.

Outline of the plan reveals we are where we were when Wyden-Bennett started, only we have added Medicare cuts and an individual mandate (but without the generous tax credits McCain proposed) in the midst of a wave of unemployment and subpar economic growth. The mandate should be phased in and be suspended when unemployment is high, there’s a trigger for you:

.. It will expand health insurance by giving low-income people subsidies to buy coverage and widening eligibility for the Medicaid health-coverage program for the poor.

It wouldn’t create a new public health-insurance plan — a key demand of liberals — but would instead create nonprofit health-insurance cooperatives as a way to increase competition with private health-insurance companies.

Under the committee’s proposal, most Americans would be required to carry health insurance. Insurers wouldn’t be able to deny coverage to the sick and cherry-pick customers. The plan would be financed by a combination of cuts to the Medicare program for the elderly and a tax on particularly generous health-insurance plans that would apply to health-insurance companies. The tax would generate an estimated $140 billion over a decade….

The tax better include union plans. This is what MAC proposed, and TOTUS has been fighting it for purely political reasons. We have been bailing out the unions as it is, no more. Let them pay taxes on their benefit plans as well if this is the funding mechanism needed to avoid a public plan and deficit spending. I don’t see tort reform or interstate competition in there, hope Enzi puts it in if they are going this way.

September 4, 2009. Tags: , , , , , , , , . Economy, Healthcare, Obama Administration, Politics. Comments off.

The Questions from fellow Democrats that Barney Frank (D-MA) would not answer…

For the record that is a Democrat LaRouche supporter who had a hitler sign. And the IRAQ WAR is not where the money went. HOW BOUT THAT STIMULUS AND FREDDIE MAC BARNEY??? they do not get it…

Courtesy of patriotsandheroes

And here is Shep Smith playing the media card against Team TOTUS. It has come down to the MSM vs the constituents by and large. Politico had a piece up outlining the ‘blowback’ Obama got from the weekend SNAFU over the government run plan, and the examples listed are all liberal media pundits and hard left Congress Critters- Eugene Robinson, Rachel Maddow, etc. There were NO examples of actual constituents. The lefty media is making it clear to Obama he works for them, see Roger Simon trying to force his hand with idiotic pieces like, “Does he have the guts?” If the Critters shove this through then we will know they work for the media and not the plurality of the American people who are clearly saying NO to the government run option….and whom also BTW now have broken beneath 50% approval for Dems…

Only 49 percent of Americans now hold a favorable view of the Democratic Party, down from 62 percent in the same poll shortly after Obama assumed office. Democratic favorable ratings hovered around 60 percent as recently as April, when 59 percent of those polled held a favorable view.

The national survey of 2,010 adults conducted Aug. 11-17 also found that 51 percent of Americans approve of Obama’s job performance with 37 percent disapproving. Independents split 45 percent-43 percent in approving of the president’s performance.

While Democratic numbers have plunged, the GOP has yet to see any uptick among voters. Only 40 percent of those polled held a favorable view of the Republican Party, a number which Pew noted “has not changed all year.”..

Notice the GOP numbers ARE NOT MOVING LOWER, so clearly blocking the runaway spending train is NOT hurting them contrary to the spin journOlists put out….

Courtesy of PaulWilliamsWorld

Here is the road not taken, the Wyden-Bennett Bill. It has things I do not like, but it covers the uninsured, allows individuals to pool and buy at group rates, does not put govt between a  patient and doctor and is DEFICIT NEUTRAL AFTER 2014!!! So says CBO!!! But they pooh poohed this idea and now say no GOP cooperation was forthcoming? BS.

August 19, 2009. Tags: , , , , , , , . Healthcare, Obama Administration, Politics. 1 comment.

Update: Sunday Chatter: Kent Conrad (D-ND) and Sebelius both back off public option: the Federally funded co-op is now the term of choice…(and with Federal Funds it will still kill private insurance)

Update: Monday 8/17: Just like the Clash, Team TOTUS is unsure if they should stay or go on public option lol, they are releasing spin via Ambinder (who failed to get their ‘townhalls folks are hurting the GOP side’ meme to take effect, but not for lack of trying on his part, lol), that Sebelius ‘misspoke’, then another WH aide, off record OF COURSE! said no she didn’t misspeak, the MEDIA misrepresented what she said..uhm yeah okay go with that…YOU CANNOT TRUST ANYTHING THESE GUYS SAY PEEPS…GET IT IN WRITING BIG PHARMA, Dumb bunnies…..

An administration official told Marc Ambinder that HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius “misspoke” when she told CNN that a government run health insurance option “is not an essential part” of reform.

“This official asked not to be identified in exchange for providing clarity about the intentions of the President. The official said that the White House did not intend to change its messaging and that Sebelius simply meant to echo the president, who has acknowledged that the public option is a tough sell in the Senate and is, at the same time, a must-pass for House Democrats, and is not, in the president’s view, the most important element of the reform package.

See you at the RECESS RALLY!!!!

And it means nothing because we can trust them about 1/4 as far as we can throw them, although I think I could throw them pretty far….especially if we started with Jaeger shots…(just sayin’)….but it is a sign of cracks in the facade of happy changey hopey dopey land….

Conrad has been pushing co-op but FEDERALLY FUNDED so it is in effect a frakkin PUBLIC OPTION…maroons…

If they want small groups to be able to pool risk and premiums go with Multiple Employer Trusts which I used to process claims for in TX, this way small business gets group rates, NO PUBLIC MONEY REQUIRED….

Free interstate insurance commerce from Federal red tape! ….geez it would be simple were they not trying to Trojan Horse a single payer plan through wouldn’t it? Wyden-Bennett would work….but NO CO-OP GOVT PLAN BY ANOTHER NAME…frakkers…

TheHill:

A public health insurance option took more hits Sunday as Sen. Kent Conrad described its pursuit as a “wasted effort” and an administration official said it is not an “essential” part of reform.

Conrad (D-N.D.), who supports setting up health insurance co-operatives with government seed money to compete with private insurers, described the public option as all but a lost cause.

“Look, the fact of the matter is there are not the votes in the U.S. Senate for the public option, there never have been,” Conrad said in an interview on “Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace.”  “So to continue to chase that rabbit is, I think, a wasted effort,” Conrad said.

His comments followed Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius’s remark that a public option is “not the essential element” to ensure competition in the health insurance market. Sebelius made the remark on CNN’s “State of the Union,” according to a report in the Associated Press….

Gee, TOTUS has been saying ad nauseum that the public option IS necessary to do just that, ensure competition. On which I call BS…

Question, if there is no yearly or lifetime claims max on people and you cannot pre-ex them or drop their coverage, how can you possibly have enough cash reserves from premiums and ROI (return on investments) to cover pending and potential future claims?

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August 16, 2009. Tags: , , , , , , , , , , , , . Economy, Finance, Healthcare, Obama Administration, Politics. 2 comments.

Health Care Action: Speak Now or Forever Hold Your…Prostate

IMHO, TOTUS’ ego will not allow him to let this go. Especially after he gets a load of the WaPo piece by Matt Welch and Nick Gillespie that points out Obama is nothing like Big Dawg, (which is how he sold himself, as a pro business moderate Dem). He is instead Carter – on Steroids (something we have been saying since the primaries):

Former President Jimmy Carter looks out the door of the West Wing as he leaves the White House in Washington, Wednesday, March 18, 2009, after meeting with President Barack Obama's National Security Adviser James Jones.  (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)

Former President Jimmy Carter looks out the door of the West Wing as he leaves the White House in Washington, Wednesday, March 18, 2009, after meeting with President Barack Obama's National Security Adviser James Jones. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)

…Barely six months into his presidency, Barack Obama seems to be driving south into that political speed trap known as Carter Country: a sad-sack landscape in which every major initiative meets not just with failure but with scorn from political allies and foes alike….Obama must be furtively reviewing the history of recent Democratic administrations for some kind of road map out of his post-100-days ditch.

So far, he seems to be skipping the chapter on Bill Clinton and his generally free-market economic policies and instead flipping back to the themes and comportment of Jimmy Carter…

…According to a recent Washington Post-ABC News poll, more than 80 percent are concerned that health-care reform will increase costs or diminish the quality of care. Even as two House committees passed a reform bill last week, the director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office warned that the proposal “significantly expands the federal responsibility for health-care costs” and dramatically raises the cost “curve.” This sort of voter and expert feedback can’t be comforting to the president….

When TOTUS reads this part, he will eat his liver and insist Health Care be put through so he can declare a pyrrhic victory over Hillary:

…Finally, it’s time to connect the poster boy for hope to the original Man From Hope. After Bill Clinton bit off more domestic policy than even he could chew, leading to a Republican rout in the midterm elections of 1994, the 42nd president refocused his political intelligence on keeping his ambitions and, as a result, the size of government growth, limited. Though there is much to complain about in his record, the broad prosperity and mostly sound economic policy under his watch aren’t included.

This shouldn’t be a difficult task for Obama. As a political animal, he has always resembled Clinton more than Carter. This might help him avoid the Carteresque pileup he’s driving into. Far more important, it just might help the rest of us.

Let us note here that when Hill pushed for UHC in ’93 there was NO SCHIP. Millions of American children went without health care. When her UHC plan failed, Hill got SCHIP done and now millions of American children that need coverage get it. I am not willing to give up my family’s health care and health insurance as we know it to enroll 15 million people who are already eligible and simply not enrolled while bankrupting the country and killing the economy with tax hikes in the face of a sustained recession with a flat recovery. That is what this plan to GUT Medicare and redistribute the health care to other people will do.

It is unacceptable and should be defeated in Congress. (I support Wyden-Bennett (see our write ups here) which will actually expand coverage with free market principles and not gut Medicare or kill the economy and in particular small business and jobs and change the delivery of health care as we know it while failing to control costs which are generated, as CBO acknowledges, by DEMOGRAPHICS…

Look at this chart one more time:

newtaxrates

This is so important for our economy and our children and our parents and our lives (literally) that I am linking Dick Morris

From PoliGazette commenter Klegan, via Instapundit:

“Seeing his popularity draining away rapidly, President Obama has cynically decided to ram through the complex health care legislation in two weeks, without debate or amendment. He is going to give up the attempt to win sixty votes in the Senate and will use the budget reconciliation procedure – which is only used for budget bills – to push it through with fifty votes.” http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/

Call or fax Monday 07/20/09

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July 20, 2009. Tags: , , , , , , , , , , , , . Economy, Finance, Healthcare, Hillary Clinton, Obama Administration, Politics, Taxes, Unemployment Statistics. Comments off.

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