Will Obama destroy his presidency to ram down healthcare?
My guess is yes, yes he will destroy his presidency in an attempt to ram healthcare through. That’s probably a big problem for a malignant narcissist…when people say ‘NO’ I mean….
Update from the Tea Party Patriots:
Let the Healthcare March Madness Begin!!!
Below, you will find some ideas that you may find useful to use in this fight. You can select which ones, if any, you or your group will use.
1. Calls.
Make phone calls and send faxes to the House members listed below.
2. Petitions.
Tea Party Patriots will has a Stop Reconciliation Petition up on our web site. Sign it and encourage others to sign it. We will print it off and hand deliver to Congress.
3. Rallies & Candlelight Vigils:
Host a rally and/or candlelight vigil outside your representative’s LOCAL offices.
We must host these events as often as possible. Daily is a good idea and can be done as follows:
Some groups are doing rallies and a repeat of what we did in August. Some members held daily protests outside the local offices. NO not huge events, but daily events with at least 10 – 20 people. We did two shifts a day, Monday through Thursday from 8:30 to 10:00 AM and 4:30 to 6:00 PM. This covers the commuters to and from work.
Suggested idea is to have individuals on the street protesting and one by one someone goes up to the office to speak with an office member and/or your representative. At the same time someone else calls the office. We can keep them busy. Deliver to the office a petition (get signed by friends and neighbors), a handwritten letter voicing your complaints about the HC bill and reconciliation, ask for a meeting with your rep or anyone in the office immediately not tomorrow.
The discussion is to do a national day of protest; these are the dates we have heard so far from other groups. Thursday, 3/11, Thursday, 3/18 and Wednesday, 3/24.
Update: Martin Mull and Horatio Hornblower on the Dems insurance mandate and $3800.00 penalties…
Update:09/09 10:00pm AZ time: Lookee here, Daniel Henninger of the WSJ has an opinion piece going up for tomorrow that agrees with MiM but in much more palatable language, lol:
…The most recent Wall Street Journal/NBC poll has 87% of the public somewhat or very dissatisfied with the economy. The unemployment rate is likely to go above 10% for all 2010. Whatever GDP growth may occur, there is no evidence of new-job creation. Gold’s price has risen above $1,000, suggesting inflation is swimming below the economy’s flat surface. China is stockpiling gold and worrying out loud about the weak dollar. A U.N. panel said this week the world should abandon the dollar as the world’s anchor currency.
Just now, Barack Obama’s mad obsession with arcane health-insurance puzzles looks beside the point….
I thought these Critters were living in an Ivory Tower looking down on Americans without understanding them, now I am wondering if they are actually living in a tower in Mordor instead…
MiM was for a universal mandate to bring down the cost of high usage insureds, you spread the risk over a wider pool etc etc but that was, of course, BEFORE the economy WENT OFF A FRAKKIN CLIFF!!!@ HELLO??? Is anybody checking these Critters in DC for a pulse??
How in the hexx can they try to pass the mandate and penalties in THIS economic environment? In 1994 this would work, hell in 2004 this would work, in 2007 this would work. You know, in an EXPANDING economy.
But now we have a RETRACTING economy and MASSIVE UNEMPLOYMENT.. Which is of course why MiM thinks this is POLITICAL, Congress and TOTUS pushing it now, not an actual health care delivery crisis. And pullleeeezze don’t tell me how this does not kick in until 2013. People will FEEL the pain NOW and revolt against it and kill the plan or as I predict take control back in 2010 (which I think will happen in the House regardless).
And let us not forget the impact this will have on CAPITAL MARKETS and HIRING which are, of course, FORWARD LOOKING!!!!! D’uh!!! Way to kill an incipient recovery. We cannot even invest in DEFENSIVE stock plays, like KO!!! (Coca Cola) b/c even CONSUMER STAPLES like lightbulbs (and next I’m sure Teh Evvvvvil Two-Ply toilet paper killing Gaia!) are under assault (Cheerios and sugary drink makers, Tylenol in flu season, look out, Big Brother coming to frak with you too!)
People are LOSING THEIR HOMES. Food Stamp usage is at a RECORD high. Now is NOT the time to tell people to get ready for another ginormous govt program and TAX.
And if it can wait until 2013 to kick in, why in the name of all that is Holy are we ramming it through NOW?? Yeah POLITICAL BS that’s why. So take your moral imperative and pack it up with your condescension and take a long walk neoprogs…a 4 year walk according to Baucus…
You know what’s a crisis? THE DAMNED UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS A CRISIS!
Anywho, H/T to the commenter on McCardle’s site who said the Baucus $3800.00 penalty for a family who does NOT buy health insurance under his plan is comparable to the Python Martin Mull! skit wherein Christopher Columbus in reply to his Officer telling him ‘The men have not eaten in days sir” says “Well Make them eat!”
Gee it’s almost like some band of intellectual elites far removed from the realities of everyday Americans lives are coming up with these ideas isn’t it?
Mashup by iRat13
High-income people being more inclined to believe that everyone ought to have to buy health insurance has sort of a Marie Antoinette quality to it. (“Why the hell aren’t you buying health insurance?” “Uh, I don’t have enought money?”)
Or the old Python Christopher Columbus sketch (from whence comes the song “Men, Men, Men”): “Sir, the men haven’t eaten for days.” Columbus replies: “Well, make them eat!
Update: Honeoye Falls, NY – Mendon Townhall – Eric Massa D…
Eric Massa D-NY Mendon Townhall - Honeoye Falls (WHEC)
…The health care debate in our area got heated. We haven’t seen a discussion this intense in a public forum in a long time. The country is in the middle of a historic debate on the future of health care. The government is poised to vote on a new bill very soon. The debate came to Mendon and the sleepy suburb got fired up.It was an overflow crowd and even before it started, people were already fighting for their side. “The government can’t run anything,” one man yelled. “Don’t start. Don’t start,” another reacted….
“will you pledge to us that you will be among the first to sign up you and your family?” one man asked to applause. Massa said he turned down the government health care coverage. “Neither me my family or children receive that benefit, nor will I ever until we solve this problem,” Massa said.
One man was upset because he thinks abortion will be covered. “And you know that! How can you say that?” he screamed. Massa answered, “There is nothing in this bill, nothing, about abortion.”
How do these Critters keep claiming they have read the bill and then deny what the bill does? He is defending ONE of the three bills. Didn’t Sen. Mikulski D-MD admit the a bill WOULD cover abortion?
….Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah quietly asked the necessary questions. Pointing to the language mandating that health insurers participating in government “gateways” must include “essential community providers,” Hatch asked: “Would that include abortion providers? I mean it looks to me like you’re expanding it to where you — well, say for instance, like Planned Parenthood. Would that put them into this system?”
Mikulski was evasive….
Massa’s position on the bill now:
..Congressman Massa asys if he had to vote on the health care bill right now — he’d probably vote no. He doesn’t like the changes it makes to Medicare. He doesn’t like the cost-sharing aspect — where New York will pick up about 10% of the cost. But if those change, Massa says he’s inclined to support the bill….
Update: next Massa townhall listed:
More than 500 people came to the Mendon Community Center in Honeoye Falls on Thursday for the first of Rep. Eric Massa’s meetings on health care reform.
Massa, D-Corning, answered questions during the outdoor forum, which included many sharp comments both in favor of and against bills that are before Congress.
Another meeting will be held at 5:30 p.m. Aug. 26 at Perinton Community Center, 1350 Turk Hill Road.
Notice suddenly journOlists are appearing at all the townhalls. Even with all the Obama love in their elitist hearts, the reporters have trouble ignoring the majority does not want this plan….
…He wasn’t shouted down or chased to his car. But freshman Rep. Eric Massa (D-N.Y.) still felt the heat during a two-hour health care town hall meeting Thursday night.The fervor came from both sides, although opponents to Democrats’ health reform efforts appeared to outnumber the supporters. Opponents asked him to tell House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that “we are not Nazis.” Supporters urged him to push harder for a single-payer national health plan.
Pro and con, they spoke with emotion about personal experiences. “We really don’t trust the government,” said one man who said his father received poor treatment in the Veterans Administration health system.
“I’m scared. I’m scared s—-less,” said a small business owner who said she can’t afford health care for herself or her two employees….
UPDATE: Six arrests….Tea Party Patriots: Carnahan, St Louis: Constituents locked out of town hall while SEIU let in?
Oh lookee here at the PostDispatch update, one of their reporters was arrested…
…She also saw Post-Dispatch reporter Jake Wagman, who was reporting on the event and shooting video for stltoday.com. He was standing on a sidewalk, taking video.
As she photographed everything, Majors said she heard Wagman yell her name and say that he was being arrested. She turned and saw he had been handcuffed and was being put in the back of a squad car. The officer said Wagman had been interfering, Majors said….
Update from Gateway Pundit with video. Arrests and an assault. Can’t you feel the hopeychangey in the air tonight?
The Post-Dispatch reported:
St. Louis County police say six people were arrested. Two of those were arrested on suspicion of assault, one of resisting arrest and three on suspicion of committing peace disturbances. Carnahan was gone when the ruckus started.
Kenneth Gladney, a 38-year-old conservative activist from St. Louis, said he was attacked by some of those arrested as he handed out yellow flags with “Don’t tread on me” printed on them. He spoke to the Post-Dispatch from the emergency room of the St. John’s Mercy Medical Center, where he said he was waiting to be treated for injuries to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face that he suffered in the attack. Gladney, who is black, said one of his attackers, also a black man, used a racial slur against him before the attack started.
“It just seems there’s no freedom of speech without being attacked,” he said.
The shenanigans continue…
Via Gateway Pundit:
Over 1,000 St. Louis Tea Party Taxpayers showed up to attend the Russ Carnahan town hall meeting in South St. Louis.
They were Locked Out!
But… The Carnahah staff was sneaking in SIEU members in the side door marked “handicapped.”
After being locked out, the patriots broke into song:
ALERT: Blue Dogs roll AGAIN say they have a deal on health care…..per Fox…
frakkers.
Courtesy of Paintblob
Politico has it up:
Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) has cut a deal to reconvene his committee and vote on the Democrats’ sweeping health care bill, with a goal of completing work by the time lawmakers leave town for the summer on Friday.
There won’t be a vote before the full House before the August recess, but the committee breakthrough – after tense negotiations with Blue Dog Democrats – is a significant step for the Democrats. …As a result of the deal, party leaders have agreed to put off a House vote until the fall, giving members more time to digest the legislation — and opponents more time to attack it.
The Blue Dogs also succeeded in cutting $100 billion from the overall cost of the bill, bringing the total price tag under $1 trillion. The legislation will now exempt small businesses with a payroll greater than $500,000 from paying for any government-sponsored health coverage – double the $250,000 in the initial draft. And finally, under the terms of the deal Ross announced, doctors and other health care providers will be allowed to negotiate their payment rates with the government-sponsored health care arm.
Moderate in the Middle 